St. Jimmy
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Post by St. Jimmy on Oct 11, 2005 17:44:54 GMT -8
I'm a strong believer in evolution. I'd rather believe in a discovery made about 40 years ago than a book that was written 1600 years ago. And there's just waaay too much evidence to support evolution. Of course this coming from an ex-catholic aetheist.
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Ka-Moi
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Post by Ka-Moi on Oct 11, 2005 17:53:45 GMT -8
But the chicken came first anyway..
Because if you're an evolutionist, the chicken hatched out of a LIZARD egg, not a chicken one.
If you're a creationist, there was just the chicken who produced eggs.
^ The world according to Mr. Burt (my dad)
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TheAntiPop
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Post by TheAntiPop on Oct 11, 2005 18:43:11 GMT -8
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xeno|oreo
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Post by xeno|oreo on Oct 11, 2005 18:52:54 GMT -8
Evolution Though technically it wasn't monkeys... apes ^^ And remember to thank the cyanobacteria for creating oxygen in the atmosphere for us to breathe over 3.5 billion years ^^
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Ka-Moi
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Post by Ka-Moi on Oct 12, 2005 13:13:09 GMT -8
Actually.. there's much more evidence to support the bible, than there is to support evolution. They keep having to change the evolution theory due to new changes. We find things, real things, to help support what happened those all those years ago. (By the way.. the bible isn't just 1600 years old. It's more like, 4000)
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xeno|oreo
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Post by xeno|oreo on Oct 12, 2005 13:21:44 GMT -8
But the same is true for evolution
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Post by St. Jimmy on Oct 12, 2005 14:58:23 GMT -8
Because if you're an evolutionist, the chicken hatched out of a LIZARD egg, not a chicken one. Well knida, more like a small feathery, two legged, lizard. Actually.. there's much more evidence to support the bible, than there is to support evolution. Like what? Besides we keep finding skulls of homo habilis, homo erectus, etc... (By the way.. the bible isn't just 1600 years old. It's more like, 4000) Not true, the bible was written around 400 AD. Not 2000 BC! lol, not 1,993 years before Jesus was even born! (In 2000 BC the Egyptians were still worshiping Ra..)
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xeno|oreo
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Post by xeno|oreo on Oct 12, 2005 16:36:07 GMT -8
Religions are old concepts developed by primitive peoples to help them deal with things they didn't understand, and give them motivation. It is commonly used nowadays to help you through stressful situations and motivate you to do 'good'
One thing I don't like is people referring to older religions that are no longer used as 'mythologies' Older religions are equally legitamate as modern religions. Indeed, many concepts from modern religions were assimilated from older religions. I prefer to think of all religions as just religions, or all of them as mythologies.
I do not believe that a God or certain entitity of some form created the universe. It was a random occurence, and, for all we know, the universe has no beginning or end, but merely changes in form. We do not have true understandings of the dimensions.
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Ka-Moi
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Post by Ka-Moi on Oct 12, 2005 17:00:31 GMT -8
Actually, Moses, who exsisted in BC (check any history book. He'll be in there as the person who freed the slaves aroung 2000 to 1500 BC, can't remember exacally. Even in public highschool text books) was the first to write the bible, therefore it couldn't have been in AD. He wouldn't have been around.
The egyptians were still worshiping Ra, because that was there religion. At the same time, people were also worshiping God, that's why we have so much history BEFORE Jesus came around in the Bible.
And, there are many actual places referenced in the bible still around today, and we keep finding more and more atrifacts to prove it.
Lastly, look at the theories of evolution over the past 40-60 years. They keep on having to alter it based on their findings. For creationism, we just find things to prove that old book that was written all those times ago.
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xeno|oreo
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Post by xeno|oreo on Oct 12, 2005 18:33:36 GMT -8
Very true, though the concept hasn't really changed. It has really just become more detailed.
I'm not religious, I don't really know all that much about the bible. It's quite possible that it could have started being written that long ago. But human knowledge of things as far back as then are patchy at least, and it's hard to get an exact result. However, regardless of whether or not the bible was begun before Jesus was around, I still fail to see how that proves your theory in any way.
Also, I'm hoping that you don't think I'm a Jesus-hater or something based on my previous post... I love Jesus ^^ I just dislike the religion that spawned which was based on him. It uses Jesus as its mascot, but a lot of it doesn't really follow what he stood for.
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Post by mari on Oct 12, 2005 18:40:30 GMT -8
I am religious and I really disagree with the whole evolution theory. I think it is all nonsense that was invented by some guy (Charles Darwin) and was, and still is, altered through the years by many other scientists when the gene theory came about.
~*Mari*~
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St. Jimmy
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Post by St. Jimmy on Oct 13, 2005 12:05:08 GMT -8
Actually, Moses, who exsisted in BC (check any history book. He'll be in there as the person who freed the slaves aroung 2000 to 1500 BC, can't remember exacally. Even in public highschool text books) was the first to write the bible, therefore it couldn't have been in AD. He wouldn't have been around. The egyptians were still worshiping Ra, because that was there religion. At the same time, people were also worshiping God, that's why we have so much history BEFORE Jesus came around in the Bible. And, there are many actual places referenced in the bible still around today, and we keep finding more and more atrifacts to prove it. Lastly, look at the theories of evolution over the past 40-60 years. They keep on having to alter it based on their findings. For creationism, we just find things to prove that old book that was written all those times ago. Alrighty, yes Moses was around that long ago but, he didn't right the bible and was not a Christian. Back then, Judiaism was just coming around and all he did was preach about Judiaism, like Jesus. And Moses is the Jesus of the Jews. And yes, the theory of evolution has changed a lot and that is because we are finding new evidence to support evolution and when Mr. Darwin wrote this theory there wasn't a lot of evidence and thus, he was wrong on a lot of things. But when Lucy was discovered in Tanzania in the 60's it helped prove his theory. I also agree that creationism hasn't changed but that theory is very simple un like evolution. And evolution hasn't ever changed, its just been refined.
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TheAntiPop
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Post by TheAntiPop on Oct 13, 2005 12:54:37 GMT -8
Um, you do know that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, right?
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Ka-Moi
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Post by Ka-Moi on Oct 13, 2005 13:36:38 GMT -8
What Anti-pop said. You should try studying up on stuff before you diss it. ^^;; (NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE!!!!)(By the way, judiaism is what a jew believes.. So, Jesus would be the jesus of the jews. ^^;; )
No, Evolution didn't become more detailed. It actually CHANGED. Every year the world gets another billion years older. Which in my opinion, is rather strange.. And they're all trying to link us to slugs and single-celled bacteria.. It's almost an insult. (Again, none of this is to be rude. ^^;; ) Slightly off subject: There is, infact, no physical evidence that the world is as old as it really is. Even dinosours could've very well been around in the bible, so they (Reference: Job 40:15 to 41:2)(And I don't bloody care if the marker at the bottom says it was a hippo. There is NO way that could've been a hippo or an alligator. Sheesh. Even the people translating the bible are evolutionists.. That's what you call irony)
to MLL: I was just simply stating that the bible wasn't just written 2000 years ago, but actually started from the begining of.. time, I guess.. if you want to call it that.
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Post by xeno|oreo on Oct 13, 2005 15:22:15 GMT -8
Hmmm... interesting.
But carbon dating proves many things to be millions of years old, which isn't really that old, but already is way older than the bible says.
Also, no way dinosaurs were around then. Humans would have all been eaten ^^
I don't think so, life had to start some way ^^ Don't be insecure with your bacterial origins Kia... that was billions of years ago ^^
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